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LOST theories and numerology [May. 18th, 2005|10:46 am]
susan smitten
Daniel! revjim!! I tried to finish this in time for you to see it before your LOST party. I copied the bits I found interesting into this entry, so you wouldn't have to follow the links. (I'd suggest following the MapQuest link, though, cuz it's neet.) Most of it is related to The Numbers, but I threw in some other snippets that intrigued me, as well. Hope it adds to the excitement tonight!

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/45705.html ponders the significance of the name 'Theresa' in Locke's vision:
Also, sidenote, St. Theresa's day is October 15, (10/15) but October is named so because it was originally the 8th month, (making it 8/15). Emily, (Locke's mom) told him that he was immacuately concieved, and in her file that the investigator showed Locke, one her driver's license, her birthday is 10/15.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/39747.html is an interesting entry in which each of the 6 numbers is connected with the Tarot. Go there if you want to read the whole thing. Someone added:
The numbers add up to 108, which wulfgyr connected with the number of times a bell is rung on the New Year, especially in shrines and temples.

Also, from what I know of Buddhism, the significance of 108 is:
The bell is rung 108 times because man has that many sins, and ringing the bell one hundred and eight times is said to rid us of them. This aspect of redemption is especially important around the New Year, when everyone has a clean slate of sorts...a new beginning.

This makes me want to check the numbers in the I Ching. A feng shui link sent to me by doc_cathode earlier today said, "The numbers in the 8 Trigram chart represent perfect balance. Summed in any direction they total 15." Hmmmm.

Here are the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 used as coordinates in MapQuest.

Numbers are repeated in http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/40658.html:
The number 815 appears within the sequence of numbers 4815162342. 815 has made a few appearances and all of them associated with bad luck:

Plane crash - Oceana 815
Kate’s safety deposit box - The deposit box number was 815
Charlie’s copy machine - the copy machine number is model t815.

Did you know about this next one? I went back and watched the bit with Boone and the radio again, and I believe the other person is saying "we're". Man, did that give me goosebumps. http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/44045.html:
It definately sounds like, to me anyways, that the person on the other end is Boone as well, and they're saying "But we're the survivors of Oceanic 815." The other person uses no military protocol or even protocol that an air traffic controller would look for. It sounds like that they're surprised to hear even anybody, showing that they may be stranded as well.

On a side note, did anyone catch what aisles the footballs are in? Those crafty Lost writers.

"Regular footballs in 8, nerf in 15."

When Flight 815 first crashed, there were 48 survivors by the end of the pilot episode. In "Tabula Rasa," the U.S. Marshall died, leaving 47, a character named Joanna died in "White Rabbit," leaving 46, and the murder of Scott by Ethan in "Homecoming" left 45 survivors. Boone's death in this episode leaves 44. In a flashback, Jack's fiance Sarah is wearing a t-shirt that has a rather large '44' on both the front and back.
Hey, if you subtract the pilot and Ethan, that gives you 42. Though I don't think they were part of the original count.

Go to http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_tv/685830.html for a very imaginative breakdown of Kate's license plate that she changed:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/46517.html is a discussion of the characters' names (all of them, not just Locke):
John Locke (b. 1632, d. 1704) was a British Philosopher who came up with the philosophy of "tabula rasa" or "blank slate". He believed that babies are born blank and the mind is empty before it receives the impressions gained from experience. We acquire knowledge from the information about the objects in the world that our senses bring to us. Locke also believed that individuals acquire knowledge most easily when they first consider simple ideas and then gradually combine them into more complex ones.

"Tabula rasa" also refers to a need or an opportunity to start from the beginning.

In this thread, possible anagrams for Ethan Rom are suggested: Other Man, Another M, The Roman... Am Hornet? It's silly, but it's fun.

The 'sickness' issue: It could be that they just went crazy, but it could also be something else. Maybe 'the island' as Locke calls it, can sort of possess you, after a while, and that's what Danielle saw in her crew. She tells Sayid to 'watch them, watch them close,' and maybe Sayid will see Locke as having the 'sickness' in the next episode. Danielle also says that 'It took them all.' Perhaps it took Ethan too.


The Connect-Four that Lenny is playing when Hurley visits him has 42 squares over-all. You also need 4 to win.

I have a theory about the hatch:

They haven't dug completely around it, have they? It looks as if it's just the top and one of the sides that are visible... what if it has a sort of tunnel coming from it on the other side? Kind of how Danielle lived underground.

And someone's living underground as well... Danielle's son, Alex.

And as crazy as this sounds, I feel Alex may have had a twin. An evil twin. (Goes back on all the black & white, good & evil stuff going on in earlier episodes.)

What if Ethan was Alex's brother? And Danielle doesn't speak of him because he's evil?

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/45069.html addresses the episode beginning with the Mousetrap game and flashing back to John Locke's family trapping him in order take his kidney. I wondered about the connection to Boone's accident - that is, who trapped whom?
Locke calls Boone "son,"I believe while looking for the second plane.

The next scene (in the woods while hunting birds) : Cooper calls Locke "son"

It all came too closely for me to look past it.

1. Could it mean that Locke looks to Boone as the son he never had?

2. Could it be that Locke will trick Boone the way Cooper tricked Locke?
Did he already trick Boone? Did he KNOW that plane would fall?

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_theories/43993.html explores the ongoing theme of sacrifice. I find the implication that Boone was a sacrifice to be barbaric, but hey, it IS a jungle out there:
when charlie wanted his guitar, Locke said that in return he'd have to give the island something. So they burned the heroin. now, the island gave back that sacrifice ten times over....

Daniel, I think your game could incorporate metaphors as well. A player who can spot a metaphor might select another player to take a penalty. The above thread contains an example:
I took it also as a sort of metaphor for what happened in Locke's life. His mother told him he was immaculately conceived to hide a dirty, nasty secret (the whole mess w/his parents). Then out falls the statue of Mary, and lo and behold, something which claimed/appeared to be pure, was concealing something nasty and dirty within.

I'm noting this thread down for myself; it's about a Tolkein quotation and it's pretty cool.

Oh yeah, while we're on the subject:

[User Picture]From: beverley_anne
2005-05-18 07:54 am (UTC)
ei, these sounds very interesting. what is the main significance of 8 and 15, though? i was born oct. 15th also, that's why it made me quite interested.
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[User Picture]From: chu_hi
2005-05-18 08:12 am (UTC)
In the TV show LOST, 8 and 15 are two of six very significant numbers. Also, the main characters are survivors of a plane crash, and 815 was the flight number. I don't know what the real (or numerological) significance of the numbers are, though. Sorry!
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From: kailorien
2005-05-18 12:14 pm (UTC)
:) Thanks for posting all of this!!

I have a new theory.

Maybe they're all already dead? lol Or in a Midlands, between life and death?
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[User Picture]From: chu_hi
2005-05-18 10:28 pm (UTC)
I was thinking of you when I posted the picture of Naveen. That bit was for us. =) You've probably got the picture, but it's still nice to see some bonus Naveen on your friends list, huh?

I like your theory; the show certainly has a dreamlike quality. I have one, too: There are zillions of islands out there in the South Pacific, right? And the people with the raft are more likely to find another deserted one, rather than a civilized one. Maybe they'll find the *other* survivors of the crash (if they exist), just in time for an end-of-season cliffhanger.
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[User Picture]From: revjim
2005-05-18 01:41 pm (UTC)
This is some great stuff. A lot of it I had seen or heard already. But some of it is new.

I really like the Aisle 8 and 15 thing for the footballs. That's hilarious.

The fact that 8 and 15 (as well as the other numbers in LOTS of other ways -- i.e. many things happened 4 or 8 years ago, etc, etc) appear so often makes me think 1 of three things. a) These people were DESTINED to be on this Island and their whole lives have pointed them towards that... b) They are all dead or dreaming, or this is someone's dream or death flashback/flashahead (like in Owl Creek), but, in one way or another it's not "real" which is why the events are so easily influenced... c) the writers really just like to fuck with us and it means nothing at all.

I'm hoping for A. C would just be dumb. And B is a little too hoaky for me. I mean... I liked Owl Creek and all.. but... bah.

Thanks for posting all of this. I didn't even know LJ had a LOST community. I'll have to check it out now.
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[User Picture]From: chu_hi
2005-05-18 10:21 pm (UTC)
LJ has loads of LOST communities, some more engaging than others. I have to avoid them for a couple of days, until I get the latest episode.

I was wondering how much of this you'd already heard. We don't get it on TV here, so Don and I and the guy who introduced us to it are the only people we know who watches it. Nobody else knows what it is! No TV commercials tabloid stuff, no discussions... I had the feeling when I was writing this, that you probably knew more than I did.

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[User Picture]From: bonjovigrrrl
2005-05-19 03:21 am (UTC)
Hi! May I "friend" you? I found you through Istara's journal and yours looks very interesting too. I lived briefly in Dubai a few years ago and like to live vicariously through others. You are welcome to friend me back, but I should warn you that all I talk about lately is the house I bought and what color I'm painting the hallway!
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[User Picture]From: chu_hi
2005-05-19 04:01 am (UTC)
Of course! And I'll add you back. Hi!
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[User Picture]From: bonjovigrrrl
2005-05-19 01:24 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I can't wait to read more. As I said, I'm living vicariously through you and Istara.
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[User Picture]From: riboflaven
2005-06-03 03:57 am (UTC)
Hi :) This is Yuko's boyfriend, I was wondering if I could add you as a friend. I want to thank you for helping her so much.
I am completely addicted to LOST, I didn't know about the LJ communities though. It is all extremly interesting!
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[User Picture]From: chu_hi
2005-06-05 09:02 pm (UTC)
Hi, Sascha! Of course you can, and I'm happy to add you back. Yuko is one of my favorite LJ'ers. :) She never needed my help, though, as she has what it takes to be successful in pretty much everything.

I'm addicted, too. (If only Sawyer had shot quicker!) Even though LOST has wrapped up for the season, the boards are still quite active. I amused myself with http://oceanic-air.com the other day; you can find lists of the easter eggs on the boards.
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[User Picture]From: riboflaven
2005-06-06 03:15 pm (UTC)
I will cry myself to sleep for a mounth if Sawyer is dead. But I don't think he is. I looked on the oceanic site, and I am guessing that all the flights are not cancelled. I couldn't find teh boards on that site though, I may just be blind...
And I want to know why the rungs are torn off of that ladder into the hole.
Mostly I want a time machine so I can go watch more episodes.

And thank you :)
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From: (Anonymous)
2005-12-22 06:28 pm (UTC)

stes theory

Just to add a few things about the numbers...the secret to the show is behind the numbers..all the numbers have to equal to the sequence and to balance the equation...
starting from the last number in the sequence 42...the number of survivors left on one side of the island...when the child is born this makes the number 43- so boone has to die to make the numbers even
23... the number of original survivors on the other side of the island
8, 15.....flight number
4.. number of survivors left on one side of the island
42+23+16+15+8+4 = 108 : countdown time.
Dunno if this is just a co-incodence or something put in by the producers to get people talking..
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